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GNTLGNT

Vehicles today can surf the web, link to your phone, stream music and videos, etc.. but they still can't perform a simple database lookup to tell you what the check engine light is on for.

doyoulove19

Hey @Kurben - I just saw this article regarding a Bronze Age discovery in Sweden.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/bronze-age-treasure-found-lying-in-swedish-forest/ar-BB1gdGNf  

What is your take on the find?

GNTLGNT

doyoulove19 said:

Hey @Kurben - I just saw this article regarding a Bronze Age discovery in Sweden.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/bronze-age-treasure-found-lying-in-swedish-forest/ar-BB1gdGNf  

What is your take on the find?

....something seems either very odd, or extremely fortuitous about that....

Hedda Gabler

Hey FF! Glad to see you popped in. How are the girls?

Hedda Gabler

doyoulove19 said:

Hey @Kurben - I just saw this article regarding a Bronze Age discovery in Sweden.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/bronze-age-treasure-found-lying-in-swedish-forest/ar-BB1gdGNf  

What is your take on the find?

I’ve always told our non American friends — get out there and dig in your yard, you guys are sitting on history.

We are too obviously, but i think their chances of finding something really spectacular are high. 

Better yet, let me come dig in your yard.  

Which, @nb, in your construction work, have you guys come across anything amazing?

GNTLGNT

Better yet, let me come dig in your yard.  

Notaro

Hedda Gabler said:

doyoulove19 said:

Hey @Kurben - I just saw this article regarding a Bronze Age discovery in Sweden.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/bronze-age-treasure-found-lying-in-swedish-forest/ar-BB1gdGNf  

What is your take on the find?

I’ve always told our non American friends — get out there and dig in your yard, you guys are sitting on history.

We are too obviously, but i think their chances of finding something really spectacular are high. 

Better yet, let me come dig in your yard.  

Which, @nb, in your construction work, have you guys come across anything amazing?

No I can't recall my boss ever discovering any artifacts or suchlike when digging for foundations 🤔

Kurben

doyoulove19 said:

Hey @Kurben - I just saw this article regarding a Bronze Age discovery in Sweden.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/bronze-age-treasure-found-lying-in-swedish-forest/ar-BB1gdGNf  

What is your take on the find?

Depot finds are not really uncommon. They are called by that name but the reason they were put down in the earth are really not well known. The most common view is the one the article mentioned but there could be other explanations such as that it was a troubled time and they hid their valuables because they feared that they were gonna get raided and when the raid was over they had been either killed or taken away. The religious angle is really a fall back when they dont know the answer. It may be correct, it may not. What is unusual about this find is the location. A forest. Depot finds are most often found in fields or wetlands when farmers are finding something shiny in the spring or similar circumstances. But that might reflect one of two things. Either they did not have much time before the raid was expected (if we go with the raid theory) or why are we so sure that that fields were preferred? Because many are found there but then was they fields then? We are talking about 1000-800 bc here and even if the bronze age society in Sweden was a farming society with a clear hierarchy not so much land was farmed then as just a few hundred years later in the iron age (from 500 bc onwards). When they started to use iron they could make more land available for farming since bronze is really a rather soft metal and is much more suited to things that looked nice such as jewellries, keys, pins and other small items than a plow. There were bronze age axes that were rather big but not very sharp and probably had a more ceremonial value. And status of course. I think the reasons behind the Depot finds made by the Bronze age society had several different reasons behind. One is the usual; offerings, sacrifices to the gods and so on. Religion was important and to keep the gods on their good side was important. I think it is likely that the most of the wetlands findings were done for this reason. But then there are the fields and forest ones and at least a part of these i think may have been done to hide a families valuables for raiders with the intention of digging them up again. Sadly they never got a chance to do so. I think this find is in the latter cathegory. The finds were status things suited for a woman a bit up in the hierarchy. I do not think this is a sacrifice. Partly because how, comparably, shallow they were buried. I think the person/persons who buried planned to return.
These are my thoughts but i'm sure other archaeologists have other. We love to argue!!

GNTLGNT

....thank you Kurb....that answers my wonderings about the shallowness of the interment location......

FlakeNoir

That was fantastic to read @Kurben, very interesting. 

GNTLGNT

FlakeNoir said:

That was fantastic to read @Kurben, very interesting. 

...he might want to try the whole archeological gig ya know?....

FlakeNoir

GNTLGNT said:

FlakeNoir said:

That was fantastic to read @Kurben, very interesting. 

...he might want to try the whole archeological gig ya know?....

😄 Oh there's a thought... (He may have to change his name to "Doug") 

GNTLGNT

FlakeNoir said:

GNTLGNT said:

FlakeNoir said:

That was fantastic to read @Kurben, very interesting. 

...he might want to try the whole archeological gig ya know?....

😄 Oh there's a thought... (He may have to change his name to "Doug") 

   

GNTLGNT

doyoulove19

Kurben said:

doyoulove19 said:

Hey @Kurben - I just saw this article regarding a Bronze Age discovery in Sweden.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/bronze-age-treasure-found-lying-in-swedish-forest/ar-BB1gdGNf  

What is your take on the find?

Depot finds are not really uncommon. They are called by that name but the reason they were put down in the earth are really not well known. The most common view is the one the article mentioned but there could be other explanations such as that it was a troubled time and they hid their valuables because they feared that they were gonna get raided and when the raid was over they had been either killed or taken away. The religious angle is really a fall back when they dont know the answer. It may be correct, it may not. What is unusual about this find is the location. A forest. Depot finds are most often found in fields or wetlands when farmers are finding something shiny in the spring or similar circumstances. But that might reflect one of two things. Either they did not have much time before the raid was expected (if we go with the raid theory) or why are we so sure that that fields were preferred? Because many are found there but then was they fields then? We are talking about 1000-800 bc here and even if the bronze age society in Sweden was a farming society with a clear hierarchy not so much land was farmed then as just a few hundred years later in the iron age (from 500 bc onwards). When they started to use iron they could make more land available for farming since bronze is really a rather soft metal and is much more suited to things that looked nice such as jewellries, keys, pins and other small items than a plow. There were bronze age axes that were rather big but not very sharp and probably had a more ceremonial value. And status of course. I think the reasons behind the Depot finds made by the Bronze age society had several different reasons behind. One is the usual; offerings, sacrifices to the gods and so on. Religion was important and to keep the gods on their good side was important. I think it is likely that the most of the wetlands findings were done for this reason. But then there are the fields and forest ones and at least a part of these i think may have been done to hide a families valuables for raiders with the intention of digging them up again. Sadly they never got a chance to do so. I think this find is in the latter cathegory. The finds were status things suited for a woman a bit up in the hierarchy. I do not think this is a sacrifice. Partly because how, comparably, shallow they were buried. I think the person/persons who buried planned to return.
These are my thoughts but i'm sure other archaeologists have other. We love to argue!!

Thanks Kurb!  I appreciate the answer! 

Neesy

fushingfeef said:

Hi guys, I haven't checked in here for a long time, but I haven't forgotten you!  Just got my first vaccine shot on Monday, all is well so far.  Only 6 months til Halloween!

Good luck with the shot - I get mine on May 12th (seriously hoping there will be no side effects)

I have had a problem in the past with regular flu shots

Hope the girls and Tommie are fine

Neesy

Notaro said:

Hedda Gabler said:

doyoulove19 said:

Hey @Kurben - I just saw this article regarding a Bronze Age discovery in Sweden.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/bronze-age-treasure-found-lying-in-swedish-forest/ar-BB1gdGNf  

What is your take on the find?

I’ve always told our non American friends — get out there and dig in your yard, you guys are sitting on history.

We are too obviously, but i think their chances of finding something really spectacular are high. 

Better yet, let me come dig in your yard.  

Which, @nb, in your construction work, have you guys come across anything amazing?

No I can't recall my boss ever discovering any artifacts or suchlike when digging for foundations 🤔

I read in a book (I think it was Outlander) that many years ago when building a mansion or a castle they would kill someone and put the body in the foundation to ward off evil spirits [or something similar]

- I know this sounds rather gory but I wonder if it's true? Most of her historical facts can be backed up i.e. Diana Gabaldon, who is the author of the Outlander series

 - any thoughts?    @Kurben

Kurben

Neesy said:

Notaro said:

Hedda Gabler said:

doyoulove19 said:

Hey @Kurben - I just saw this article regarding a Bronze Age discovery in Sweden.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/bronze-age-treasure-found-lying-in-swedish-forest/ar-BB1gdGNf  

What is your take on the find?

I’ve always told our non American friends — get out there and dig in your yard, you guys are sitting on history.

We are too obviously, but i think their chances of finding something really spectacular are high. 

Better yet, let me come dig in your yard.  

Which, @nb, in your construction work, have you guys come across anything amazing?

No I can't recall my boss ever discovering any artifacts or suchlike when digging for foundations 🤔

I read in a book (I think it was Outlander) that many years ago when building a mansion or a castle they would kill someone and put the body in the foundation to ward off evil spirits [or something similar]

- I know this sounds rather gory but I wonder if it's true? Most of her historical facts can be backed up i.e. Diana Gabaldon, who is the author of the Outlander series

 - any thoughts?    @Kurben

It is basically not true. That part is legend and is present all around the world. But proof of it it is very weak. What is true is the practice of "Foundation Sacrifice". The Romans did it sometimes but with gifts of food and drink. There are real gory legends from ireland and scotland and slight versions of it are found in the balkans, hungary, india and japan among many other places. There is a proven costum of burying a horses skull beneath the floor in, i think ireland, and similar practices with candles, coffins (empty but still) and other things to do with funerals were sometimes sacrificed. In rare cases humans have been found below floors or in walls of buildings but we know only of these people being found during rebuilds but since they were found in times when nothing could be done to say when they were put there it is impossible to say if they were put there during building or later. My guess is later since below a stone floor is a great place to put a body you want to disappear. Some people can be rather ruthless that lives in castles and mansions.
So the legend is a true fact. It exists and is doing well. And, as with most legends, it is a big exxageration of the proven facts. Foundation sacrifice did exist but very rarely if ever with humans. But the basis for it is true, it was to bring luck to the building and make it last a long time.

Neesy

Kurben said:

Neesy said:

Notaro said:

Hedda Gabler said:

doyoulove19 said:

Hey @Kurben - I just saw this article regarding a Bronze Age discovery in Sweden.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/bronze-age-treasure-found-lying-in-swedish-forest/ar-BB1gdGNf  

What is your take on the find?

I’ve always told our non American friends — get out there and dig in your yard, you guys are sitting on history.

We are too obviously, but i think their chances of finding something really spectacular are high. 

Better yet, let me come dig in your yard.  

Which, @nb, in your construction work, have you guys come across anything amazing?

No I can't recall my boss ever discovering any artifacts or suchlike when digging for foundations 🤔

I read in a book (I think it was Outlander) that many years ago when building a mansion or a castle they would kill someone and put the body in the foundation to ward off evil spirits [or something similar]

- I know this sounds rather gory but I wonder if it's true? Most of her historical facts can be backed up i.e. Diana Gabaldon, who is the author of the Outlander series

 - any thoughts?    @Kurben

It is basically not true. That part is legend and is present all around the world. But proof of it it is very weak. What is true is the practice of "Foundation Sacrifice". The Romans did it sometimes but with gifts of food and drink. There are real gory legends from ireland and scotland and slight versions of it are found in the balkans, hungary, india and japan among many other places. There is a proven costum of burying a horses skull beneath the floor in, i think ireland, and similar practices with candles, coffins (empty but still) and other things to do with funerals were sometimes sacrificed. In rare cases humans have been found below floors or in walls of buildings but we know only of these people being found during rebuilds but since they were found in times when nothing could be done to say when they were put there it is impossible to say if they were put there during building or later. My guess is later since below a stone floor is a great place to put a body you want to disappear. Some people can be rather ruthless that lives in castles and mansions.
So the legend is a true fact. It exists and is doing well. And, as with most legends, it is a big exxageration of the proven facts. Foundation sacrifice did exist but very rarely if ever with humans. But the basis for it is true, it was to bring luck to the building and make it last a long time.

Ah - there you go! That makes me feel a bit better but it made for interesting reading so I guess that is why she put that in her book

I'm hoping the Outlander series will come back to TV eventually as it was a good one

Thanks Kurben!

GNTLGNT

....as always Kurb, I am in awe of your font of knowledge.....

Marsha

Neesy said:

I'm hoping the Outlander series will come back to TV eventually as it was a good one

Season 6 was filming a couple of months ago so may be in post-production now. I haven't seen anything about an air date yet. And Diana Gabaldon finally finished the next book, which from the title hints that it might be the last. It's coming out Nov. 23rd and is titled Go Tell the Bees That I Am Gone.

Hedda Gabler

43 words,  219 score — amazing but not genius yet on NYT spelling bee game. 

I always hit genius but never close to queen bee — that’s when you get all the words for today ‘s puzzle.   I’m so frustrated!!!!

Hedda Gabler

46 words — 269 score — still not reached genius.  I am so stuck. Not seeing one more word.

i will f with this all day. I will get there!

Hedda Gabler

Oh my god! I did it with the word “amino.” Such a simple word when some of my many was “intimidation, admonition, nondominant”!!!!!

47 words — 274 score.

Hedda Gabler

Now i’m doing the NYT crossword puzzle. 

With this one, the game Gods are watching me saying, “isn’t it precious she tries so hard?”  And they giggle .