What Are You Doing Today? (an SKMB greatest hits)

GNTLGNT

....I'm nowhere near an archeologist, my dirt digging is limited to planting things, but this was captivating to me....yes, it's couched for TV and excitement-but I still think the skull cult theory holds water and why does it seem that these cities were intentionally buried?....I've never heard of a geologic event in Turkey that would have covered them up, especially with the amount of intact items that have been discovered....seems as though our neolithic ancestors weren't the knuckle-draggers everyone commonly seems to assume....the limestone carvings are breathtaking, and the entire layout thus far seems to suggest quite an organized community.... 

Kurben

GNTLGNT said:

....I'm nowhere near an archeologist, my dirt digging is limited to planting things, but this was captivating to me....yes, it's couched for TV and excitement-but I still think the skull cult theory holds water and why does it seem that these cities were intentionally buried?....I've never heard of a geologic event in Turkey that would have covered them up, especially with the amount of intact items that have been discovered....seems as though our neolithic ancestors weren't the knuckle-draggers everyone commonly seems to assume....the limestone carvings are breathtaking, and the entire layout thus far seems to suggest quite an organized community.... 

Oh, definitely an organized community. But not a really big one. There has been experiments done in place on the amount of people that would have needed to make these pillars and take from the nearby limequarry to Göbekle Tepe. The answer was between 12 and 24 people working for 4 months on it. Add to that children and elderly and you have a community of between 30-50 people. That fits with the size of other communities and was limited by how many a site could feed. Add to that the carvings that does not take so many people. Anyway it means the whole community must have worked together as one. This is the prepottery Neolithic. So far no pottery  has been discovered from these times. The earliest pottery we know of comes from China. Also very early are Japan and east Russia (Probably picked up the idea from China. But in rhe Fertile Crescent the earliest dates from around 7000 BC. That is pottery vessels, not figurines made of pottery which had been a thing since the ice age (earliest figurine in europe perhaps 28.000). This also means that there are no real traces of agriculture in Göbekle Tepe. There are proof of processing wheat or something similar in mortars made by stone but that is probably just the wild wheat (Einkorn wheat) growing nearby. So it was still basically a hunter/gatherer society. Which seems to indicate that man settled permanently in one place before agriculture was a thing. Before it was believed that the invention of agriculture made man settle permanently. 
Oh, and yes, the Skull Cult theory holds water. It has been found in too many places to not do so. The big unanswered question is why they intentionally buried and rebuilt it several times? On that there is no good answeers. and since the paleolithic ancestors of our neoolithic friends created Lascaux and Altamira between 20.000 BC and 14.000 BC i dont find it so surprising that they also create great art. Göbekle Tepe seems to suggest that people started to settle down before agriculture but that their settlements could only start growing towards city size with agriculture. And Göbekle Tepe was abandoned before that invention teached the middle east. The first real farmer village in the area might be Catalhöyuk about 7.500-5.500 BC which were a large settlement with only domestic houses. One thing you often forget about early farming is that yes they could feed a much bigger population but they had ti work around the clock to do it. No sparetime for temples or similar things. Technology would later overcome some of this but in the beginning farming was a much harder life than Hunter/gathering. Also, because of population density and that the storage of grains drew rats a much increased rate of different illnesses.

GNTLGNT

....a sincere thank you Kurb!......

Hedda Gabler

Hedda Gabler said:

Okay. I’m more than a little concerned about NN. She was headed to the Keys for the running of the Hemingways. 

Did she get gored? 

Pulling this forward. Anyone have contact with her?

Kurben

Nor me. And you are right. It has been awhile now.....

not_nadine

 Hedda Gabler said:

Hedda Gabler said:

Okay. I’m more than a little concerned about NN. She was headed to the Keys for the running of the Hemingways. 

Did she get gored? 

Pulling this forward. Anyone have contact with her?

Hi thanks.  I am here.  Not a good trip and came back early - I was sick and in the hospital.   Still trying to feel better.    Thanks for asking.

Hedda Gabler

not_nadine said:

 Hedda Gabler said:

Hedda Gabler said:

Okay. I’m more than a little concerned about NN. She was headed to the Keys for the running of the Hemingways. 

Did she get gored? 

Pulling this forward. Anyone have contact with her?

Hi thanks.  I am here.  Not a good trip and came back early - I was sick and in the hospital.   Still trying to feel better.    Thanks for asking.

Oh no! I hope you are okay.  Rest. Thank you for checking in. 

Hedda Gabler

Sending good energy to Nn.

Hedda Gabler

Scott, how was the monarch situation this year?

Kurben

I had a great day!! Met my brother in town, spent a full day together doing stuff and also managed to buy "The End Of the World" in the middle of it. Must have walked miiiiles. We had some beer and some food inbetween and now i'm exhausted. But it was a great day. Will probably start reading The End tomorrow (too tired to do anything else but rest right now).

Hedda Gabler

I’m so glad he’s visiting you!

Kurben

Hedda Gabler said:

I’m so glad he’s visiting you!

Hes looking for a place in southern sweden where he and his wife can spend about 3 months a year now that he is retiring. Havent found it yet but it will materialize sooner or later. And then i can visit them there for weeks at a time. Looking forward to that.

GNTLGNT

.....awesome possum!!!......

GNTLGNT

Hedda Gabler said:

Scott, how was the monarch situation this year?

.....Tracy has done more this year than she ever has!.....36 "births" so far, 28 currently in chrysalis and 14 caterpillars yet......the "nursery" has been enlarged and we have had many a great back road ride looking for our "livestock"....

Hedda Gabler

Kurben said:

Hedda Gabler said:

I’m so glad he’s visiting you!

Hes looking for a place in southern sweden where he and his wife can spend about 3 months a year now that he is retiring. Havent found it yet but it will materialize sooner or later. And then i can visit them there for weeks at a time. Looking forward to that.

That is so great Kurben. I really really like this for you. 

Hedda Gabler

GNTLGNT said:

Hedda Gabler said:

Scott, how was the monarch situation this year?

.....Tracy has done more this year than she ever has!.....36 "births" so far, 28 currently in chrysalis and 14 caterpillars yet......the "nursery" has been enlarged and we have had many a great back road ride looking for our "livestock"....

Wow! That is amazing numbers. 

Hedda Gabler

Scott, what the hell happened at Atwood Lake?

GNTLGNT

Hedda Gabler said:

Scott, what the hell happened at Atwood Lake?

....from what we have seen here, and mind you-questions are still being asked, an Amish family-especially the mother had a mental health meltdown which resulted in her 4 year old child and husband drowning and she attempted to kill herself and the other 3 teenaged kids by running a golf cart into the lake.....tragically odd......

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/northeast-ohio/atwood-lake-amish-mother-aggravated-murder-tuscarawas-county-ruth-miller-vincen-marcus/95-f828ede0-75bd-4faf-9dfc-dd7835b49e9e

Kurben

This has really been, for me, a Diem Perdidi sort of day. Has had migraine better part of the day and now its evening.... Just hoping tomorrow will be better.

Hedda Gabler

Kurben said:

This has really been, for me, a Diem Perdidi sort of day. Has had migraine better part of the day and now its evening.... Just hoping tomorrow will be better.

Take care kurben, rest. 

Hedda Gabler

GNTLGNT said:

Hedda Gabler said:

Scott, what the hell happened at Atwood Lake?

....from what we have seen here, and mind you-questions are still being asked, an Amish family-especially the mother had a mental health meltdown which resulted in her 4 year old child and husband drowning and she attempted to kill herself and the other 3 teenaged kids by running a golf cart into the lake.....tragically odd......

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/northeast-ohio/atwood-lake-amish-mother-aggravated-murder-tuscarawas-county-ruth-miller-vincen-marcus/95-f828ede0-75bd-4faf-9dfc-dd7835b49e9e

I’d like to hear your thoughts about this. This is just so weird tragic. 

GNTLGNT

.....mental health crises I suspect are just as rampant in the Amish community, but are kept away from us "English" as part and parcel of their mistrust of the modern world....though many communities seem to have moderated a bit to be able to compete in this digital age....to my knowledge, some do take advantage of counseling and therapy-but it has to be tailored to their particular lifestyle.....there is a plethora of abuse, incest and other evils in the Amish and Mennonite families, it's just concealed and dealt with privately to avoid spectacle and a stain on their faiths.....

Hedda Gabler

GNTLGNT said:

.....mental health crises I suspect are just as rampant in the Amish community, but are kept away from us "English" as part and parcel of their mistrust of the modern world....though many communities seem to have moderated a bit to be able to compete in this digital age....to my knowledge, some do take advantage of counseling and therapy-but it has to be tailored to their particular lifestyle.....there is a plethora of abuse, incest and other evils in the Amish and Mennonite families, it's just concealed and dealt with privately to avoid spectacle and a stain on their faiths.....

That is so sad and disturbing.