Shoulda stood in bed -- second last episode

BevVincent

Synopsis (major spoilers)

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Peter Rickman has yet another seizure and witnesses the eventual fate of Kingdom Hospital while Mrs. Druse uses Peter's drawings to make a direct connection to the spirit Mary that becomes a key in correcting the evil deeds that are a part of the Kingdom's history. Meanwhile, Dr. Hook makes public Dr. Stegman's culpability in the Mona Klingerman medical malpractice incident -- and sends Steg on a crazed and violent tear for vengeance.

BevVincent

Sounds great! So, does that mean (just to be sure) that the finale is next Thursday? That would be great because I didn't want to have to watch the finale the night before I was leaving for Maine, at about 5:00 a.m. Friday morning.



Lin

BevVincent

The finale is July 15th and it starts an hour earlier than the current episodes to make room for its two hour length. I'll be in Rhode Island for NECON so I'll have to entrust it to my VCR.

BevVincent

PERFECT. I was hoping it wasn't July 22nd.



Thanks!



Lin

BevVincent

What a great episode! I loved all the little rat corpses in Steg's lab, each one covered with its own little blanket, like a crime scene.



One line that was Dark Tower-esque: someone said "hear me very well."



Was that the guy who plays Peter Rickman who was also the chauffeur?



My wife came home just when the Old Kingdom scene was starting, so I missed how or why Antubis appeared like a nicer version of Paul--was that explained? I didn't get a chance to go back on my tape to check it out.

CRinVA

KH was pre-empted here in Northern VA - hrumph! >:(

BevVincent

Just logging in for two seconds for a KH review and find that Bev has mentioned all MY favourite parts already. OMG Bev, Steve and I were hysterical at the little blanket covered "corpses". That was brilliant.



Yes, Mary said "see it Peter, see it very well"... gave me shivers.



Interesting question about the chauffeur.... I don't think I paid him THAT much attention, but they did pan to him more than usual.



Bev, if my understanding is correct -- Nice Paul appeared as Mary's version of Antubis in human form -- a Paul she was not "afraid" of.



Steg was really good in all his "craziness" too. When he was making love chat on the phone (BEFORE he went crazy).. that was so funny.



I missed the first 10 mins, but Steve got me up to speed and I'll watch what I missed tonight.



Okay, gotta run, see you all later around noon.



Lin

IT

I was just getting into it when the owner of the motel we will be staying at in Maine called, so then I ended up missing quite a bit. I can't wait for this to come out on DVD. It seems I missed more than I was able to watch for one reason or another.

BevVincent

I liked it that Elmer -- and Headless Frank -- got the head back and that Elmer and Hook reached an entente so when Elmer's help was needed he was able to give it voluntarily rather than under threat of exposure.



The lovey-dovey phone talk was a hoot!



Just think -- if Steg's car hadn't been vandalized, he would have gone off and one of the major crises to be resolved in the finale wouldn't have taken place. Does that make Abel and Crista responsible for whatever Steg does?

BevVincent

Lin242 wrote:

Bev, if my understanding is correct -- Nice Paul appeared as Mary's version of Antubis in human form -- a Paul she was not "afraid" of.  

Makes sense. The actor who plays Paul has been doing Antubis's voice from the beginning.

BevVincent

Makes sense. The actor who plays Paul has been doing Antubis's voice from the beginning.

That is kind of freaky because as Paul he doesn't really have that deep growly voice.



I can't wait until the finale.



Lin

BevVincent

The guy who plays mad Dr. Gottreich is also the narrator -- their voices are majorly different, too.

BevVincent

That guy is some creepy! I thought it was neat when the narrator says at the end "will you join us for one more adventure" or something like that...



I've thoroughly enjoyed this series and it's sad that it's not being given a chance.



Lin

Maccanuck

I enjoyed last nights show and was happy that the show was finally getting back to the story (do you know what I mean?)



I can hardly wait until next week to find out how it all plays out.



If it's as good as last nights episode I don't think I'll be disappointed.

sheepish

Lin242 wrote: I've thoroughly enjoyed this series and it's sad that it's not being given a chance.

This is a comment people have made before, and I am curious about it. Not to pick on Lin ( ), or start a flamewar, or anything like that, but to all of you who enjoy the show: what do you consider a fair chance?



I ask this because it ran/is running for a full season, which is more of a chance than many other shows with bad ratings get.



The main reason I ask, though, is because I watched at least the first half of the season, and even after that many episodes, I still didn't find it engaging in the least. To me, it just seemed like "a bunch of weird and silly things happening in a hospital" could have summed up nearly every episode, with very little running story to tie it together. And I went into it fully expecting to like it, having seem the first part of the Riget and finding it creepy and suspenseful and engaging.



And I know that there are inside jokes and connections and all that, but I would imagine the number of people who actually get and know all of those things is probably not a big enough audience to sustain a show.



Anyway, like I said, I'm not at all trying to be offensive to people who like the show. I'm really and truly curious what you think would have constituted a "fair chance."



(sheepish, who also loathes reality television and generally enjoys a good hour drama, slinks sheepishly away)

Maccanuck

Sheepish...I hear ya and I understand where you are coming from.



I haven't loved this show either in fact I thought the first two hours were really cheesy but I kept watching anyway and I'm glad I did.



I haven't liked all of it though and there were times when I wondered what the heck was going on and when they were going to get back on track.



As for all those little "In Jokes" I miss most of those and I've read all of Kings books since 1976! I guess I don't retain little bits of info like that.



Still, last nights episode was a good one and if next weeks is anywhere near as good, I'll be one happy camper.



I'd sure like to see the original Riget!

BevVincent

I've thoroughly enjoyed this series and it's sad that it's not being given a chance.

This is a comment people have made before, and I am curious about it. Not to pick on Lin ( )

Just take a number dear sheepish, there are dozens, nay millions, waiting to pick on me! ;D I think your question is valid, and funnily enough, when I made the comment I was figuring someone would want to know my reasons. Being curious myself, I am not offended in the least. 8)



You're right, the fact that it had one full season not faring well in on-going ratings may seem like a "fair" chance. I disagree only because in this type of ensemble, it takes time to get to know the characters, most of whom I find really intriguing. Even in Stephen King books, character development is my number one love, which is why I don't often profess a love for his shorter stories although I like them well enough.



From the moment I heard one of my favourite passages quoted from Salem's Lot (The Emperor of Ice Cream), I was hooked, no pun intended. I enjoyed looking for the little tie-ins, the clever insertion of phrases, names and book titles that his readers might recognize.



But then again, I'm one of the people who cried when Twin Peaks ended (even though David Lynch had to rush through the last part of the series to tie it up), so I think it's safe to say that I love the quirky, strange and "disjointed" type of show. I was very gratified to see that Twin Peaks made the top 100 things that rocked the 90's. 8)



Do you think this is enough to bring Kingdom Hospital back for Season 2?



Lin

Maccanuck

Ah, Twin Peaks! That show did rock!

sunny99

"That's a damn fine cup of coffee"



I miss Cooper and the gang.

BevVincent

Another Dark Tower connection I noticed: Antubis/Good Paul makes that window in the air to show them a possible future by spreading apart his index and middle fingers. This sound similar to the fantail of light Clotho and Lachesis made to show Ralph and Lois things in Insomnia by spreading their fingers apart. It would seem that Antubis is definitely an agent of death very similar to the little bald doctors.

BevVincent

Josh, we noticed that too. Considering "bad" Paul uses terms like "short timers" or "short time", there is possibly a connection there.



Lin

sheepish

Thanks to all who responded without throwing things at me

Lin242 wrote: You're right, the fact that it had one full season not faring well in on-going ratings may seem like a "fair" chance.  I disagree only because in this type of ensemble, it takes time to get to know the characters, most of whom I find really intriguing.  Even in Stephen King books, character development is my number one love, which is why I don't often profess a love for his shorter stories although I like them well enough.

Interesting. Character development is generally what can make or break my interest in a story as well, and I just wasn't quite getting it out of KH. There would be little scraps of insight to characters where I would think "Ooh, this could be interesting," and then . . . nothing.



It's not that I'm impatient and want to know everything up front—I realize good character development is rarely, if ever, done that way—but I think after a while, I started to wonder if these things were going to be revisited, or if they were just going to drop off the face of the show. Basically, I guess KH didn't give me enough reason to believe that they were ever going to delve much deeper into some of these characters.

From the moment I heard one of my favourite passages quoted from Salem's Lot (The Emperor of Ice Cream), I was hooked, no pun intended.  I enjoyed looking for the little tie-ins, the clever insertion of phrases, names and book titles that his readers might recognize.

Although I don't catch most of these, I certainly don't have an issue with their being there. But it would have been nice if they were just little "goodies" inserted into a developed story line, instead of (seemingly) the main thing going on at times.

But then again, I'm one of the people who cried when Twin Peaks ended (even though David Lynch had to rush through the last part of the series to tie it up), so I think it's safe to say that I love the quirky, strange and "disjointed" type of show.  I was very gratified to see that Twin Peaks made the top 100 things that rocked the 90's.

Hmm. I never watched Twin Peaks, although I have know plenty of Twin Peaks obssessors over the years, so I can't comment directly on that show. In general, though, I'm OK with quirky/strange/disjointed, as long as there is some sort of overarching story to hold it all together. I'm not so big on strange just to be strange with no other context.

Do you think this is enough to bring Kingdom Hospital back for Season 2?

I will be sure to pass this message along to the proper authorities, along with your plea ;D

Rache4173

I'm not so big on strange just to be strange with no other context.

I like that comment, Sheepish. I think I'll agree with you too - although, on most things. I seem to have more of a ... "patience" when it comes to Stephen King projects. I guess I want him to succeed in whatever it is that's being tried at that point. I even liked Maximum Overdrive more than I probably would've had he not been attached to it.



Does that make sense?

BevVincent

Thanks to all who responded without throwing things at me

I wanted to, but my NERF ball just wouldn't go that far! ;D

Interesting. Character development is generally what can make or break my interest in a story as well, and I just wasn't quite getting it out of KH. There would be little scraps of insight to characters where I would think "Ooh, this could be interesting," and then . . . nothing.

I understand completely, continuity (or at least a reasonable facsimile) is always gratifying, especially when the little gems of information that ARE interesting may get tossed aside for another plotline or skewed royally (yes, I meant to say skewed).

Although I don't catch most of these, I certainly don't have an issue with their being there. But it would have been nice if they were just little "goodies" inserted into a developed story line, instead of (seemingly) the main thing going on at times.

I can't say I saw them that way, but I will say that sometimes it was somewhat disconcerting because I found myself "looking" for them when in fact I could have concentrated my attention elsewhere. ::)

OK with quirky/strange/disjointed, as long as there is some sort of overarching story to hold it all together.

Twin Peaks may have actually accomplished this somewhat more effectively with the search for Laura Palmer's killer. I felt that KH kept some connectivity but you kind of had to determine what was the most interesting storyline of the moment.

I will be sure to pass this message along to the proper authorities, along with your plea

That would be much appreciated. ;D



Lin

BevVincent

I seem to have more of a ... "patience" when it comes to Stephen King projects. I guess I want him to succeed in whatever it is that's being tried at that point.

Very nicely said Rache.



OMG, it's 4:26, I have to run..... I'll see you guys tomorrow!



Good night....



Lin